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"the 65Z9 actually has a slow pixel response panel - it indeed ghosts like a mothertrucker, same as the 940E

75Z9 has a different faster panel and is about the same as 900E & 930E in terms of response and little to no ghosting

Rtings did add that tidbit, but its possible to miss it I guess .. no idea why 2 different panels


65Z9 buyers, not knowing this info, got really unlucky IMO"



I'm am worried about what you are saying here, is it so bad ? Are all 65 models the same (sometimes differents panels provider ?)

Is there an owner here who could show it in video?

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Ha! I had the 73” pre laser version (blanking on the name)


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It’s a massive upgrade. You simply can’t compare. Also our 73” dlp only had about 71” useable - the rest was overscan.

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Hello everyone, I'm considering a 75" Z9D and I'm curious how big of a visual upgrade I should expect upgrading from a 73" Mitsubishi 73837 DLP. Will the black levels be better with the Sony? I use my DLP as a PC monitor and really enjoy the fact that there is next to no input lag and it handles motion perfectly. My reservations about getting a Z9D (or about any new 4k TV) is that I'm worried the input lag will be noticeably worse. Do many people use this display as a monitor without problems and not notice the input lag?

But I do really want to experience 4k content and HDR Those new Samsung Q9FN QLEDs look like they will have low input lag and great picture quality (maybe better than the Z9D?), but I don't like the fact that they don't support Dolby Vision or 3D, which is why I'm leaning towards the Z9D. Have the Z9D's held up well reliability-wise?

... sjchmura is absolutely correct by stating "It's a massive upgrade". I had the 73837 before owning the 75" LaserVue and they were very good TV'S for their time. If my LaserVue did not break down (and with no way to repair/replace it ... Great going Mitsubishi !) I would probably still have it at this time and not enjoying my Z9D as much as I do. Just to highlight some of the improvements of the technology difference of "UHD vs HD" with UHD added benefits there is better detail with improved P.Q., more depth with more colors, contrast, motion, upscaling, and brightness with HDR. Everything has improved with the UHD Z9D including 3D with it's greatly improved brightness and contrast. With 3D on the Z9D you will see detail you may have not seen before and enjoy re-watching your 3D Content. With your new Z9D on this Thread there are some excellent recommended "get started" Settings made available if need be and there are many helpful people who will offer suggestions if asked. No doubt you will enjoy your new Z9D ... and let's hope you receive a "keeper" as with any technology there are some defective units that occasionally get through the cracks.

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Happy to report I have zero picture issues with my (ISF pro calibrated) 75Z9D which arrived this morning.

I spend nearly 2 hours taking a critical look while playing all sorts of content (2D/3D SDR as well as 4K/HDR) I'm familiar with and I was actually looking for problems. I have zero banding (either vertical or horizontal) on this set. I had obvious vertical banding with 3D on my X940D but fortunately none on the 75Z9D. 3D is great btw but I did had to reboot the TV in order to get rid of excessive ghosting and flickering in only the lower half of the screen. Very odd but it's gone now.

Also no more annoying horizontal lines during HDR playback (which was my biggest issue with the X940D)! That is such a relief, I am so glad I don't have to look at that anymore now!!! Those days are finally over now.

Will have to try some test patterns some other time but at first sight, I didn't notice any DSE. I had some on my X940D (and to an even lesser extend on my 65Z9D) but nothing really too serious. I then took a look at all four corners and even on the main menu screen of the Nintendo Switch, I could hardly make out if they were slightly darker or not.

As I was watching clips form various movies I had the feeling as if it looked just a tad sharper and more refined. But I couldn't honestly say if that really was the case or the placebo effect. I still have my X940D until Sony comes by and collect it. Just for fun I might put it side to side with the 75Z9D and play the exact same content on both TVs and take a look at the difference.

As on my 65Z9, I did notice that when something really bright is near the black borders of scope movies during HDR, they would become just a tad less black than they normally would be for a second or two. But this would only be really noticable if you had your eyes on the black borders all the time.

Anyway I am really glad I won the panel lottery again (my 65Z9D is 99% free of screen issues, it only has very slight DSE) and was still able to get a 75Z9D in the first place. The 65Z9D is still widely available in my country but the 75Z9D has become almost absolete it seems.

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"the 65Z9 actually has a slow pixel response panel - it indeed ghosts like a mothertrucker, same as the 940E

75Z9 has a different faster panel and is about the same as 900E & 930E in terms of response and little to no ghosting

Rtings did add that tidbit, but its possible to miss it I guess .. no idea why 2 different panels


65Z9 buyers, not knowing this info, got really unlucky IMO"



I'm am worried about what you are saying here, is it so bad ? Are all 65 models the same (sometimes differents panels provider ?)

Is there an owner here who could show it in video?

thanks a lot
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Happy to report I have zero picture issues with my (ISF pro calibrated) 75Z9D which arrived this morning.

The 65Z9D is still widely available in my country but the 75Z9D has become almost absolete it seems..
Rumor has it we will be good in the US thru june/july.
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Has anyone had the opportunity to view both the Samsung Q9 75" and the Sony Z9D?
I know that the Samsung is edge lit and the Sony is full array. Does full array improve upscaling?

I bought the Samsung Q9 last week and am not happy with it. It's upscaling abilities leaves something to be desired.
Trying to return it but am getting stonewalled by the store I bought it from, but that's another story.

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I just got my z9d about a week and a half ago. I was In the same dilemma. Q9 or z9d. And pulled the trigger on the z9d. I big improvement over my Panasonic plasma. I kinda miss it lol. But I viewed both for a while and liked the z9d better. Then right after I got my z9d sony released a whole new line if tv. But not a successor to the z9d... Yet... So I feel pretty good about my purchase, that is until sony unveils a z9d successor lol then I'll be upset I didn't wait.
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Has anyone had the opportunity to view both the Samsung Q9 75" and the Sony Z9D?
I know that the Samsung is edge lit and the Sony is full array. Does full array improve upscaling?

I bought the Samsung Q9 last week and am not happy with it. It's upscaling abilities leaves something to be desired.
Trying to return it but am getting stonewalled by the store I bought it from, but that's another story.

Like to return the Q9 and get the Sony Z9D or maybe the Sony 900F but haven't seen that yet

Any thoughts of the Z9D over the Sony 900F?


Z9d is a beast...maybe the 2018 Samsung Q9NG will rival it but hard to say...Sony was on point with the sheer number of zones and focused light output for each zone. 1 up to Samsung for possibly hitting 100% dci p3 color space (wont actually know until it gets tested)


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So you have heard rumors of a successor?
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Has anyone had the opportunity to view both the Samsung Q9 75" and the Sony Z9D?
I know that the Samsung is edge lit and the Sony is full array. Does full array improve upscaling?

I bought the Samsung Q9 last week and am not happy with it. It's upscaling abilities leaves something to be desired.
Trying to return it but am getting stonewalled by the store I bought it from, but that's another story.

Like to return the Q9 and get the Sony Z9D or maybe the Sony 900F but haven't seen that yet

Any thoughts of the Z9D over the Sony 900F?
The Samsung edge lit Q9 will not even compare to a Z9D. The Z9D will blow it away in probably almost every aspect.....The 900E/900F most would feel are better then the Q9 edge lit as well. 900F are not out just yet, they will be out any day, but they will not compete with a Z9D either.
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The Samsung edge lit Q9 will not even compare to a Z9D. The Z9D will blow it away in probably almost every aspect.....The 900E/900F most would feel are better then the Q9 edge lit as well. 900F are not out just yet, they will be out any day, but they will not compete with a Z9D either.
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Be nice if that 85" prototype from 2016 made it to market!
... Could not agree more given that (supposedly) Samsung will be releasing a 88"Q9F !

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The Samsung edge lit Q9 will not even compare to a Z9D. The Z9D will blow it away in probably almost every aspect.....The 900E/900F most would feel are better then the Q9 edge lit as well. 900F are not out just yet, they will be out any day, but they will not compete with a Z9D either.
... From what I am seeing realistically the only model that will compete with the Z9D is the Q9F (or Z9D upgrade). So far if everything is accurate about the Q9F that is one heck of a TV : 4K, FALD, almost no off center viewing issues, HDR10+ ... pretty ! Just remains to be seen what 2.1 Features it will have and if hardware is upgradable i.e. All In One Box Connector.

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... Could not agree more given that (supposedly) Samsung will be releasing a 88"Q9F !



... From what I am seeing realistically the only model that will compete with the Z9D is the Q9F (or Z9D upgrade). So far if everything is accurate about the Q9F that is one heck of a TV : 8K, FALD, almost no off center viewing issues ... pretty ! Just remains to be seen what 2.1 Features it will have and if hardware is upgradable i.e. All In One Box Connector.
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... Oops caught that after posting it and just changed it ! ... Dang you are quick Brother !
But let's add to that Q9F "feature list"...no DV (just the DV wannabe HDR10+).
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Anyone is Asia-Pacific region get the latest update with Dolby Vision? The latest one I see is still v6.2671 from 10/25/2017. Anyone from this region try the US firmware?
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But let's add to that Q9F "feature list"...no DV (just the DV wannabe HDR10+).
That alone makes it a NO for me.

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Is using the Netflix app on the TV the only way to get Dolby Vision with Netflix so far?

Also, does it stand to reason that Sony's UBP-X700 should be the first player that supports Dolby Vision for their TV's being it's a Sony player and all?
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Also, does it stand to reason that Sony's UBP-X700 should be the first player that supports Dolby Vision for their TV's being it's a Sony player and all?
No and maybe.

If running the public beta firmware, you can get "low latency" form of Dolby Vision from the ATV4K Netflix app that displays properly on the Z9D. It was made available a couple months after the Z9D received the DV update.

Both the OPPO 203 and Sony UBP-X700 are scheduled for late Spring or Summer updates to support the "low latency" form of DV that supports the Z9D. Actually, I believe that the OPPO projected date (they have said as early as April) is earlier than the Sony date.
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If running the public beta firmware, you can get "low latency" form of Dolby Vision from the ATV4K Netflix app that displays properly on the Z9D. It was made available a couple months after the Z9D received the DV update.



Both the OPPO 203 and Sony UBP-X700 are scheduled for late Spring or Summer updates to support the "low latency" form of DV that supports the Z9D. Actually, I believe that the OPPO projected date (they have said as early as April) is earlier than the Sony date.


It was made available 1 week after the Sony Z9D DV update.


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But let's add to that Q9F "feature list"...no DV (just the DV wannabe HDR10+).

... True no D.V. ... but if all the hype about the technology in this Samsung TV is accurate then it would make the lack of D.V. less of a "have to have" feature and make this TV near or at the top of the line LCD TV . Granted it would be nice to have but D.V. will not be included in every and all new released movies and time will tell what percentage D.V. will be a part of.
With Samsung's announcement of new TV models to be released including the 8K Q9S it will be interesting to see what Sony has up it's sleeve and it's about time for them to step up to the plate and see if they can hit another one outta tah pock like they did with our Z9D's !

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... True no D.V. ... but if all the hype about the technology in this Samsung TV is accurate then it would make the lack of D.V. less of a "have to have" feature and make this TV near or at the top of the line LCD TV . Granted it would be nice to have but D.V. will not be included in every and all new released movies and time will tell what percentage D.V. will be a part of.
With Samsung's announcement of new TV models to be released including the 8K Q9S it will be interesting to see what Sony has up it's sleeve and it's about time for them to step up to the plate and see if they can hit another one outta tah pock like they did with our Z9D's !
That's a big IF based on Samsung's track record. As far as DV is concerned, it would appear that Disney has fully embraced it so I would say it is here to stay. Sony and LG have already said they have no plans to support HDR10+ basically saying they already effectively "do" HDR10+ so there is no reason for them to support the format. To be honest, I'll be more interested in the first true 12 bit panel...that will catch my attention!
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Yeah before then I had it disabled and could update the firmware. With that update it was FUBAR and had to remember to re enable it to upgrade

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... From what I am seeing realistically the only model that will compete with the Z9D is the Q9F
(or Z9D upgrade). So far if everything is accurate about the Q9F that is one heck of a TV : 4K, FALD, almost no off center viewing issues, HDR10+ ... pretty ! Just remains to be seen what 2.1 Features it will have and if hardware is upgradable i.e. All In One Box Connector.
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Its got some issues with off axis viewing...
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... From what I am seeing realistically the only model that will compete with the Z9D is the Q9F (or Z9D upgrade).
I see there is going to be big confusion this year, last year was a edge lit Q9, this coming year a FALD Q9, really? Why not a Q10 or whatever.....

I see the FALD Q9 is priced to compete with the 940E..........not a Z9D at least as far as 75".
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I see there is going to be big confusion this year, last year was a edge lit Q9, this coming year a FALD Q9, really? Why not a Q10 or whatever.....

I see the FALD Q9 is priced to compete with the 940E..........not a Z9D at least as far as 75".

Z9D performance at the price point of a 940E would be very, very nice. With the Z9D being 2 year old tech, I would like to think this is possible.
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"the 65Z9 actually has a slow pixel response panel - it indeed ghosts like a mothertrucker, same as the 940E

75Z9 has a different faster panel and is about the same as 900E & 930E in terms of response and little to no ghosting

Rtings did add that tidbit, but its possible to miss it I guess .. no idea why 2 different panels


65Z9 buyers, not knowing this info, got really unlucky IMO"



I'm am worried about what you are saying here, is it so bad ? Are all 65 models the same (sometimes differents panels provider ?)

Is there an owner here who could show it in video?

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75 also has over 800 zones.
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come on sony, time to spill out some details about the z9f carrying the x1 ultimate processor, the z9d is old sauce now from august 2016. at this time it is better to wait for the z9f instead of going for the z9d if you're looking for a new tv in the high end range.
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come on sony, time to spill out some details about the z9f carrying the x1 ultimate processor, the z9d is old sauce now from august 2016. at this time it is better to wait for the z9f instead of going for the z9d if you're looking for a new tv in the high end range.
Except for those of us who need 3D. Unless...the Z9F will ultimately somehow, someway still have 3D. And though I very much doubt it, that would really be something if that were to be the case. I still have my hopes up.

Even though I just got my 75Z9D last week, I would be willing to replace it with a 75Z9F. It all depends whether it will have 3D or not. So yeah, I'm also very anxious to see an official announcement.
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